funding the government and raising the debt ceiling. >> oh, sure. yes, we can. i'm not too sure -- >> i understand, but do you think that's going to happen? >> no, i don't. i do believe that the house will postpone any consideration of anything resembling gun control until such time that the senate acts and i think the house is going to focus all of its attention on the debt ceiling and the sequestration. >> white house says they're not negotiating. yet senate democrats have win a letter basically begging the president to come up with a plan b. if the house republicans saying they're not going to raise the debt ceiling without they're going to use it as leverage and the president says no, then the president needs to come up with a plan b. do you think the president needs a plan b. >> well, plan b, to me, is the executive order and i know what the white house has said about that. you may recall -- >> when you say exec tiff order, do you mean the 14th amendment option? >> i've been here for two years now. they're saying ever since they had the last debate and i th